my peers call to work on behalf of all of our institutions.. the natural explanation -- some natural healing plus the imaging being unreliable, the secondary measurement said "approximately 6 feet" as opposed to 3ft, so the "approximately" is doing a lot of work, perhaps under extreme damage there is more healing, but we haven't seen this in other cases because of the rarity of the effect. Christian epistemologist, software engineer, musician, not necessarily in that order. Strobel went on to explain that he interviewed skeptics and believers, alike, and included their perspectives in The Case for Miracles. At the end of the project, Strobel said he was shocked to learn that miracles are not only common, but also well-documented. The university has retained Spencer Stuart to assist in this search. For example, if you take the population of people who go to Rome on pilgrimage each year, you can calculate the fraction of those with diseases that will go into remission. James points out that God seems to choose not to use all his abilities -- he could heal amputees, even while someone is in an MRI, but chooses note to. At over 2 billion Christians, praying many times, if this was a real effect at the 1% level we'd expect millions of documented cases yearly -- certainly a large enough signal to experimentally verify. Case Western Reserves At this point anyone with any reasonable familiarity with how to assess the quality of medical studies should see that this is a worthless study. I've read some of the first volume. for her new role. This is clearly a rare medical case -- but with 7 billion people you'd expect some of these often just by the law of large numbers. God can heal us through medicine. Barbara was married to the late Robert L. Snyder. Craig Keener: Well if you ask me what motivated me to write a 1000 page book on miracles I could say nothing because I wasn't planning to do it initially, but it was certainly one of the most enjoyable projects I've worked on. If someone gets healed, you often can't get back in contact with that person -- "it almost feels like if a miracle happens you have about 48 hours and then their gone". Someone in the chat asked "do all of Keener's cases differ as much from what actually was reported to what was reported by him?" Could it be an illusion? Any legitimate effect should be able to withstand this scrutiny (and more! They're meant to be signs of the Kingdom. Here's where consistency comes in and the desiderata of Jaynes. "One day, one of her friends called WMBI, which is the radio station in Chicago run by the Moody Bible Institute, and said, 'Pray for Barbara. perhaps a misdiagnosis of Stargardt's disease, and a gradual improvement for other reasons. Scott Rae: Because I mean by any medical definition she had died. So I guess, what surprised you the most as a result of your study from when you set out to do this to when you got to the end? What do atheists think of Barbara Snyder, who was healed of all her symptoms and all her illness to the point where 31 years later she's completely healthy? And as a Christian I naturally did believe in miracles. Well she couldn't walk. It is also correct to say that it depends on the prior probability of the claim, but it also depends on other desiderata of Jaynes, especially the ones dealing with consistency. 2022 Blaze Media LLC. Get the news that matters most delivered directly to your inbox. Of course, it's possible her sight was perfect and declined in the 2 years between the "healing" and the measurement which would call into question the miraculous nature. I also think that there is a two-stage process for investigating these and similar processes (i.e. God can heal us through exercise or just the things he's placed in our body. And the way we proceed is that we use medical science to eliminate the six and we can't really confirm or disconfirm the last remaining one but because we eliminated all of the alternatives that must be the one right or at least it's reasonable to believe that this is the one -- it's the best explanation. When I lay out the evidence for the (alleged) miraculous phenomena in the latter half of the episode, I blitz through various case studies, scientific studies, and quotes which I said I would post references too here. Craig Keener: Yeah, she came on a fiance visa, which unfortunately took a bit longer than it should have because by the time we finally made up our minds to get together 9/11 happened right when we were getting ready to send the materials in. perhaps this was the case here either with a longer resolving time (N=11 is not that large)? View the profiles of people named Barbara Snyder. He is, let's just say he is one of the most prolific biblical scholars that I'm aware of and is so productive. Craig Keener: In Matthew 11 and Luke Chapter 7, John the Baptist sends to Jesus because he hears the works of Jesus, he hears of these healings taking place and he says, "Are you the one the come or shall we wait for somebody else?" successor. "So she basically pulls the tube out of her throat, says, 'Go find my parents' [and] jumps out of bed.". He has served in a variety of teaching and leadership roles, including a term as president of the Evangelical Theological Society in 2015. She actually had to have a breathing tube because even her diaphragm didn't work on its own. Bladder and stomach control were lost. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Some were tested in prosperity. Which I agree with, at least technically. Yes, I'll look for these mundane explanations first before jumping to agency, because those are the most common explanations of extraordinary claims. And, in fact, one doctor described her as being one of the most hopelessly ill patients he'd ever encountered.. A document going through these particular medical statements with citations can be found here. The analogy doesn't work, and honestly I think this is a miracle talking-point that Elijah is misusing here. This highlights many of the problems I've been talking about and we get to see it in real-time. Please open it and confirm your subscription. She was healed just suddenly. Because God told him the coming one was going to baptize in fire. I had the pleasure of being a guest on the Real Seekers podcast and discussing / debating miracles with Matthew (atheist) and Dale (Christian) last week. He wrote to the Social Security Administration saying, "I'm not blind anymore." i think michael's right about obviously so many things are coincidence so we have to weigh a lot of factors to see um you know is there a theistic context to it that that tends to predominate in in the cases where we have these and so on you need a lot of cases to be able to to test that but uh the issue that he raises about replicability is is a real issue in the sense that you know when when we speak of of god creating everything and we speak of you know as christians speak of god's handiwork being all around us you know that's that's those are things that can be tested for replicability but we may disagree on the explanation you know levels of causation but miracles as one-offs so to speak they're not replicable and so they're not really testable by replicable means you can't um you know ensure that you're going to have one the next time around at the same time there's all sorts of things we have to deal with that aren't replicable certainly in historiography i have to deal with that so we want to know how somebody died we can't kill them again to to to ensure that and that's why i brought up how in different different disciplines we have to use the epistemic approach that's suitable for that discipline and so for miracles i think a case study approach is much better. This article was originally published on Pure Flix Insider. Even the supplementary information doesn't rule this out, where they have some reports in the 16 years but don't say they've been attempting oral feedings. At least there is documentation published at https://seangeorge.com.au/my-story/medical-details/. He encountered scores of healings and other claims of the miraculous along the way, but there was one case in particular that truly blew his mind: the case of Barbara Snyder. The fact that there are only two or three of these, that these are the best they have, given all of this time is damning evidence against their case that miracles actually occur at even the 1% level. This phrase shows a profound lack of understanding what skepticism is. Is it possible that there was MS and something else, in which case looking for a full recovery from MS is misdirected? Her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical turn around. He encountered scores of healings and other claims of the miraculous along the way, but there was one case in particular that truly blew his mind: the case of Barbara Snyder. Scott Rae: Nabeel Qureshi, for the sake of our listeners who might not be aware of him, was one of the most, the most compelling apologists to Islam having converted to Christianity out of Islam himself. The James Randi foundation did this as well, with a preliminary test before the more in-depth test. But in some places Like I had a student from India, a doctor of ministry student, who said almost everybody that he prays for in India gets healed. First of all, is that true? There was no blinding or control group so everyone in the study, subjects and experimenters, knew that every subject was getting the treatment. It's not [inaudible] a short book. Strobel went on to explain that he interviewed skeptics and believers, alike, and included their perspectives in The Case for Miracles. You look at the seven churches of Asia in the Book of Revelation. There is nothing even close to an arm growing back. So they investigated him for fraud. life, President Snyder said. Or even the most dramatic story I found from somebody that I or my wife knows, but this one was particularly mind blowing to me because Antoinette Malumbay was my mother-in-law and Terese is my sister-in-law. How can I help? This one is obviously ludicrous, but I think undermines the theists claims quite a lot. James: yes so think about what Shermer has done. Here is her story. You should watch Pinecreek's reaction here -- it pretty much sums it up. My initial thought was that , A physics problem from a practice AP test came to my attention, when my daughter was in AP physics this past spring. At the end of the project, Strobel said he was shocked to learn that miracles are not only common, but also well-documented. So her initial eyesight is 7/200, quite poor. and Ada Thompson Professor of Biblical Studies at Asbury Theological Seminary in Wilmore, Kentucky. So where there's cutting edge Evangelism, God does more dramatic things. The situation was pretty hopeless until something quite shocking happened. We wouldn't conclude that these things actually happened as reported, especially given the gaps in the timelines. [3] During Snyder's tenure as the university president, CWRU has overcome a $20 million budget deficit, increased fundraising by nearly $60 million, and increased research dollars by more than $15 million. The story is that this person had a condition where they couldn't eat normally, were fed with a tube, and this persisted for 16 years. And I think with a little imagination one can probably control for things like spontaneous remission and background effects and even some of the kind of unknown effects by a suitably designed experiment. Craig Keener: I think it's true in some places more than in others. "But my skepticism didn't go away.". They're not replicable but if there's a pattern like nine times out of ten where this happens it's in the context of prayer, that should say something. And it's all very well documented too. Strobel said. None of these steps are taken in any of these cases. Knowledge falls on a continuum. administrators, including President Snyder herself. This would certainly be testable. No one in medicine evaluates the effectiveness of a treatment from case studies alone, or even primarily due to case studies. Dr. Craig Keener holds the F.M. It is a reasonable question to ask -- how much evidence is enough? Even in seemingly obvious cases. But you in the west, you have this wonderful medical technology. She said she'd been curled up like a pretzel. She is the former president of Case Western Reserve University. Lina refuses to let Kathy get any recognition and keeps her behind the scenes, taking all the singing credit for herself. However studies also show about 80% of ER nurses and 64% of ER doctors believe lunar cycles affect patients' mental health, even though the data do not support such an effect. Counter Apologist Discussion, I highly recommend starting with this since it delves into at least three of the sources I discussed. Craig Keener: Yes. The conventional wisdom that we hear kind of over and over again is that the prevalence of miraculous activity, is much more the developing world than it is in the west. It's in American History, which is not, well there's a lot of Americans who can teach American History, so she especially teaches French. Really? I asked. We're all aware of suffering in the world, but miracles is a happy topic. So sometimes we don't see the outcome. That is their foretaste of God's future promise to us when there's going to be no more sorrow, there's gonna be no more pain. Tell our listeners a little bit a how you two met and why you wrote the book, Impossible Love. This miracle claim never came up in the episode. So she basically pulls the tube out of her throat, says, Go find my parents [and] jumps out of bed.. chair James C. Wyant said that Fred DiSantoan alumnus and trustee who begins become the next leader of the organization that represents the 63 leading A legal scholar, Snyder was the first woman to serve as the Case Western's president. It's always possible to ask for more (Couldn't more doctors have seen it? My oldest grandson loves to run and is always racing ahead, scampering up hills and sliding down ravines faster than the rest. its future, DiSanto said. it can be also given as a nice gift to your friends, relatives, boyfriend or girlfriend. Scott Rae: -semi anti-supernatural vibes. And in each case, it's a witness to God's Glory where God gives grace to overcome in different kinds of situations. Craig Keener: Thanks. It's not just a few people. It still could fit James, Chapter Five or gifts of healings for those of us who believe in that. Can we come to any agreement here? Strobel, 66, is a former investigative journalist with the Chicago Tribune. I was talking with Antoinette Malumbay with my wife translating for me 'cause my wife knew the story only second hand herself. Of course this is ludicrous, because teeth-brushing would occur twice a day, every day, so every single event would follow a teeth-brushing. Keener: There's confirmation bias I think that can happen either way. She was doing her work in history. Healings, casting out spirits, nature miracles in Mark and so on. She was miraculously healed. When I've heard the murderer analogy it is to argue against Hume's uniform human experience against miracles, because someone could argue for the murderer by claiming it is against his uniform experience to murder someone -- he's never murdered anyone before. As she listened, she said that she heard a male voice coming from the corner of the room a voice she now believes was God. Did she go back to Congo after her PhD studies? In particular, it includes an interview with Barbara Snyder, who was instantaneously healed from advanced multiple sclerosis, as also attested by her two physicians. They also make the claim that, for example, in Heidi Baker's ministry in Mozambique these healing happen "all the time" and are thus replicable. It was predicted that she would die soon. In 1972, having been blind for over 12 years, the individual reportedly regained her vision instantaneously after receiving proximal-intercessory-prayer (PIP). Scott Rae: Wow, I guess it did. It's here for completeness, even though there isn't much more we can say. Scott Rae: So how did, how did she become a war refugee? It doesn't mean to stop praying for healing. God could choose methods that are not so easily confused with memory biases, measurement errors, and other distortions and it is suspicious that he doesn't operate that way. In Steven Novella's post at Proximal Intercessory Prayer, he comments (on a different case, but applicable here). It is interesting the Elijah seems to understand that we need evidence to believe a claim, that we need to weigh alternative hypotheses, but he seems to have no idea what a controlled study is or why it is necessary. So the first part of the answer is sort of true but trivial and also not what they've been doing but then the second part contradicts that by saying "just assume that it's true anyway and start praying for people." None of us would say that all of those are authentic, but still we're talking about an awful lot of stories. Now normally somebody's healed, they're still gonna have, their muscles are still going to be atrophied if they've been unable to walk for a long time. Back home it happens. Certainly months in the case of severe atrophy over the course of years. One miracle in particular stands out. What problems are you interested in? I went over her solutions when she did , Skepticism and Dubious Medical Procedures. She deteriorated over a period of many years, several operations, many hospitalizations, Strobel explained. #media. Even her muscles were unatrophied. Or in Matthew 12 and Luke 11 where is says, "If I by the finger of the Spirit of God drive out demons, the Kingdom of God has come upon you." It was from a different Congo so the person who did that doesn't know their geography. She Exactly when this point is depends on considerations around prior probability. Adding to that, he had some skepticism about some of the charlatans who have been exposed for making false claims about healings and the like. It's amazing that this kind of study convinces anyone -- it violates pretty much every rule of good medicine with its multiple selection biases, lack of blinding, and lack of controls. Thinking about the Snyder "miracle", I do wonder why in these cases there isn't much more extensive medical documentation? Barbara Rook "Babs" Snyder is an American academic and president of the Association of American Universities. "Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. Subsequent medical records document repeated substantial improvement. Medical science has come a long way recognizing the fact that humans are easily fooled, they see patterns and agency where there isn't any good evidence, and biology is messy enough that uncertainty is always something to consider. So I asked Antoinette Malumbay, "How long was it that Terese wasn't breathing?" We know God worked many and mighty miracles throughout biblical times, but for many Christians, we dont see as much evidence for miracles in our lives as there was in biblical times. in economics from Southern Methodist University. In this case, Shermer's argument is that there is a context (e.g. episode: Is there medical evidence for miracles? Caleb was very nice in pointing out the documentation for the Barbara Snyder case, and correcting me in its reading. I sort of think that these popular apologetics books will briefly touch on some of these tools that should be used but then that's a stand-in that makes people think that they're actually using them. From Send Proof Elijah StephensI didn't realize how difficult it would be [to find evidence for miracle healings]. But I heard this one from somebody who worked with Craig Evans, followed up with Barbara Snyder and her doctors and passed this onto Lee Strobel, who followed up on this too. Do you have a testimony that is medically verified?. Half received prayer; the other half didnt. There were plenty of other stories just like it, too. People casually talk about God helping to find their car keys or help their sportsing team win, which are not miraculous but imply the intervention of the agent and thus fall under the same umbrella. It also includes the audio recording of Duane Miller as he is being spontaneously healed of his permanent, severe vocal chord damage. The institution that is referenced for the work is Global Medical Research Institute (GMRI) and the documentary about miracles referenced is Send Proof. The emotional language in the paper is a little unusual for a medical journal, and seems a bit sensationalist. She's had no recurrence. Justin: why do you feel sympathetic to the view that what they're finding is evidence for supernatural healing rather than just extraordinary somewhat unexplained events ? But anyway, all healing is temporary because sooner or later we're gonna die unless the Lord comes back before then. It got to the point where she was dying. 2023 Robert L. White All Rights Reserved. Just, was it last night I think, we were talking and David Dockery was sharing about Grant Osbourne, a scholar friend of ours who passed away just this past month after an amazing career of scholarship, but when he was young he had asthma. A nice illustration of Even Miracles Take A Little Time-the miracle. Anyway, so it's the story of how we got together. Each of those people are in the same position as the boy Elijah speaks about and will certainly attribute a God-given miracle to their healing. And so that's kind of what prompted me to investigate this issue.. I confess I haven't made it through all 1000 pages. Both great books that I encourage all of our listeners to get hold of and to digest. All I knew was the last letter I got from her said that she didn't know if she was going to live or die. Intercessory prayer commences and one day he awakes to find his or her arm back on their body, intact. Now obviously those numbers, none of us would say that all of those can only be explained as a miracle. And of course there's no way to test medically because there was no medic op available. Is it possible she was misdiagnosed -- it wasn't MS, so looking for an MS recovery may be misdirected? Now, Strobel, whose personal story was told through the Pure Flix feature film, book anddocumentarytitled The Case for Christ, has released The Case for Miracles, a new investigative book that relies on facts, interviews, and studies to further explore spiritual matters. I think, however, there is a selection bias here -- those people who have theological reasons to expect healings are more likely to broadcast what they consider to be healing events, while others for the same sorts of events will prefer more modest interpretations. So what made you want to go in this direction? The good news will be preached to the poor. About a week and a half later at my daughter Allison's soccer there were like 20 families and 20 moms and dads there and one of the fathers that I had said hi to but i didn't know him, walks up to me and he says "Hi, I'm so-and-so" and I said "I'm JP" and he said "how are you doing?" Check out https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/?s=control&category_name=&submit=Search to see the value of doing controlled studies in the field of medicine -- and where it goes wrong when people don't do this. We know better now, and we often know what the minimum amount of data is to justify a particular claim. I wear glasses. That's what he was praying for. We only have the stories. This seems really strange, if we are to believe the magnitude of the healing -- she claims to have gone from nearly blind to nearly perfect instantaneously, yet doesn't get this checked out immediately? But I'm grateful for the, the engagement that's come since then because there has been a lot of good engagement and people have taken it seriously and taken to heart some of the arguments in it. False reporting? Note that the STEP study mentioned below is, Let me start by saying that there have been gold standard studies before and after STEP that reached the opposite conclusion: that the group receiving prayer had better outcomes, she said. There isn't anything that could tie the prayer as the causal element, given that she was most likely prayed for often an we're picking out the one case before a claimed recovery. She was blind, bedridden with severely impaired breathing due to a paralyzed diaphragm and a collapsed lung. 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